Dennis is another Clergy Project Members. Unlike Adam and myself, Dennis is out of the ministry and out as an atheist.
His story offers hope to all of us who are working our way out of the pulpit.
Thank you Dennis for sharing with us!
~AP
Hi, I’m Dennis. Thank you for allowing me to share my de-conversion story with you.
I’m living in New England and no longer in the ministry. Originally I was a conservative, one might say “fundamentalist” Presbyterian. I left my last pastorate in 1995, was relieved of my ordination in 1997 and had my name removed from the last church of which I was a member in January of this year, 2012. I’m a member of The Clergy Project and self-identify as a skeptic and atheist.
Going, going, going……GONE!
My de-conversion was not a casual, spur of the moment decision. It was a long, slow, lonely struggle; a series of sometimes arduous fortuitous “ah ha” moments; a gradual wearing-away, an erosion of Faith. Ultimately, my departure was the final whimper of a faith that had been fading and fading for decades until it merely winked out of existence.
Born in the Bible belt to moderate Christian parents, I ecstatically embraced fundamentalist Christianity at age 17. Thirty-three years later, I soberly and deliberately abandoned it, along with any belief in any deity. I had been to seminary where I studied the Bible in its original languages and waded through all the theology. I had taught and stridently sought to defend it as an ordained minister and pastor for sixteen years. It was not a decision borne out of ignorance or lack of understanding. Without pride, I would say I understand Christianity and the Bible far better than the vast majority of believers who go to church every Sunday morning and at least as well as good many of their ministers. Ironically it is that very understanding that ultimately lead to my unbelief.
My conversion was genuine. I was at the beach on summer vacation with my then girlfriend’s family, members of a fundamentalist denomination. We attended the Sunday evening worship service of a sister church. All I remember of the sermon was fire and brimstone, threats of hell, promises of heaven and calls to repentance. Although up to that point I had resisted and scoffed at the evangelicalism and literalism of their faith, that night I was deeply moved. During a long solitary walk on the beach afterwards, I fell to my knees and asked that God show me he was real. There were no overt signs, no miracles; no Venus arising from the sea, just the stirring of a profound new emotion. I felt changed; my sensibilities had changed and I felt the stirring of what seemed like a new person. From that moment on, I considered myself “born again” through the Holy Spirit of God to a new life. I set my feet on the path of being a believer and pursued it doggedly and persistently for the next twenty-five years. Oddly enough my girlfriend was not particularly pleased, nor was my parents or extended family for the most part so there was little support for this radical change in my life. It was a constant uphill fight.
In college, I was involved with the Navigators and with a large vibrant local Bible Church. Throughout college, I continued to feel the very personal presence of God and prayed frequently and fervently and it was there that I decided I wanted to enter the ministry. I had been well schooled and firmly believed in the “fundamentals” of the faith, the Virgin Birth, the Incarnation, the Bodily Resurrection, the Vicarious Atonement and the Second Coming of Jesus in Glory, by people who were intellectually engaged. I had been taught and believed that all the answers to all life’s vexing questions were to be found in the Bible because was the inspired, inerrant and infallible Word of God. I believed as fervently as any of my fellow believers. Convinced that I was being called to the ministry, I enrolled in seminary.
The seminary I attended was academically oriented and intellectually challenging; yet still unswervingly committed to the inspiration, inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible. I looked forward to finally really being able to dig into the Bible and understand theology. So, I was ecstatic when I began my New Testament Introduction course because I thought that now I would really find out the basis for trust in the authenticity and reliability of the New Testament. However, when reading for class regarding the dating, authorship and canonicity of the gospel, I was absolutely dumbfounded. What I thought would be a flood of evidence attesting to the scripture left me saying to myself, “Is that it? Really?” However, more significantly by the end of my first year, that strong felt sense of the personal presence of God which had developed and carried me through College had faded and I wondered what was wrong with me. In reality it turns out, I was simply maturing, moving beyond my naïve, Sunday school understanding of the Bible, faith and the Christian Life. My intellect, which had been submerged and suppressed in order to swallow the “party line” that the Bible is the only source of truth and that all else was to be subjected to its judgment, had begun to assert itself.
I took solace in the idea that much smarter and more learned men than myself believed, so I held on and continued my march toward a position in the church. Eventually the broader, sweeping themes of the Bible from a literary and theological perspective and the intricacies of Systematic and Historical theology captured my imagination. I was able to place in stasis my questions about the troublesome “details”. The sweep of Biblical themes, the intellectual challenge of Theology, and the intriguing study of the original languages, even cognate languages like Aramaic and Ugaritic, helped to blind me to that initial revelation of the intellectual issues at the very root of what I believed. Nonetheless, I can remember even then, looking at an aged and erudite professor and wondering if he really and truly believed the fundamentals of the faith. How could he know so much and be so learned and yet still believe? I both envied him and secretly questioned his integrity.
During my first pastorate, the second significant fissure opened. Continuing to feel the absence of that companionable presence of a personal God, I wondered about the power and presence of the Holy Spirit I thought I had in my own life and I had learned of in seminary and Systematic Theology. As I prepared my first sermons, real sermons to be delivered to real people, I found it difficult to truly support from scripture the topics I chose and to expound the faith I had had in college. There were no classrooms here, no one interested in grand sweeping themes of Redemptive History. These were people who wanted a simple faith to which they could cling with absolute certainty. I knew it was not simple. And I knew now it was not certain, at least not as certain as I had been led to believe. More importantly I saw little evidence in the life of believers for the radical resurrection power promised in my theology. These people were no better or worse than anyone else. They didn’t find their lives any easier or harder than anyone else; and they were certainly not, nor was I, examples of the all-consuming power of a supposedly risen and victorious conqueror Christ. They were just people. Even those who were in the hierarchy of the church and who should have been more “spiritual” seemed no more “enlightened” than anyone else. The politics, the struggles and the intrigues were no less prevalent. The Body of Christ was no more redeemed than any other earthly organization, or so it seemed to me.
I also began to struggle with the problem of evil and God’s judgment. I found it hard to truly embrace the teaching that people who were actually doing good deeds and seemed to be genuinely kind, compassionate, decent, human beings were not “good” by God’s standards and would, if they did not believe the right things and call on God by the right name, be destined by God to eternal torment. For a time I could justify evil in terms of free will and man’s responsibility, but the grinding paradox of that position consistently wore at my thinking. In addition, I wrestled to reframe what now seemed to me the apparent misogynistic diminution of women in the Bible and it stuck in my craw. I knew all the “pat” answers I had been taught in seminary, but without the cloak or erudition at school, that looked thread-bare, worn and empty.
Eventually I left my first church, in the wake of one of those all-too-common church intrigues, both frustrated and dismayed. Failing to quickly find another full time pastorate, I began looking for a “secular” job and found out just how hard that was, with nothing but a theological degree and a few years church experience. I finally ended up in an entry level clerical position at a bank. Called as a “Teaching Elder” at a church in my denomination, I also continued to teach, preach, serve on the session, and do some pastoral activities assisting the full-time Pastor. Frankly, it was a relief. I could exercise my most significant gifts and pleasures in the ministry while avoiding the more onerous and troubling aspects of church life. It was also refreshing to have a job that didn’t depend on the whims of a particular church’s economics.
This pattern continued on in various church groups for the next seven years until I moved with my job to another state. It was at this time another crack appeared. By this time I held a “professional” position. I had significant job experience, a solid resume, and an engaging job with which I supported my growing family. As part of the move, I intended to decrease my involvement in the church and focus my energies on my secular job. That didn’t happen. Shortly after moving, the pastor of the church we were attending and which was in our denomination, resigned and I found myself right back in the ministry, part time, as their interim pastor. By this time I was even less impressed with the “sanctification” of the saints, even more questioning of the simple truths that supposedly made up the faith and not willing to trust myself and the welfare of my family to the vicissitudes of the church. So I resisted a full-time or permanent call. It was no longer critical for me to “identify” myself as a pastor. The paucity and irrelevancy of much of what was taught and done in the church was beginning to become clear. The world was a much wider, deeper place then I had allowed it to be and the worldview of the Bible was becoming more and more provincial. It was at that church, while counseling a prospective member of the congregation that the last supporting pillar fell.
The woman I was counseling was highly intelligent, meticulous and a tad obsessive. Each sermon brought new questions and Bible reading even more. My answers to her questions spawned more questions, good thoughtful questions and weighty objections. I was drowning in questions, gasping for air against the waves of objections, until finally I had to admit to myself I couldn’t give her any good answers. She was not challenging or angry or strident, just persistent in her desire to understand in the face of her reason. The reason and intellect that had laid buried so long and which had been gradually shaking itself awake, finally stood up and glared at me through her eyes, spoke to me through her voice and I was left speechless. My answers didn’t satisfy her and they no longer satisfied me; but they were the best and the brightest the Bible and my theology had to offer. My eyes were finally wide open.
I continued with the church, growing more and more distant from what I was preaching and teaching. I became more and more disgusted at being expected to tell people what to believe and how to live their lives. I found the Bible harder and harder to defend and I had less and less of a passion to do so. Increasingly the issues I had had with the Bible, with theology, and with what I now clearly saw as the irrationality of what I had been taught would no longer lie down and be quiet. I had suppressed them; I had put them on the back burner thinking one day they would become clear or if not they didn’t matter. Now they mattered. All the other reasons I had clung to the faith and the ministry had become unimportant and I realized I was being intellectually dishonest. I no longer had any reason to remain unless I could genuinely and honestly embrace what was supposed to be believed and taught, and I no longer could do so. At that point I began just going through the motions and looking and longing for a way out.
Thankfully my living didn’t depend on the church but my family did. My marriage was built on the rock of a common faith. There were certain expectations and absolutely no room for doubt without threatening the fabric of that marriage and potentially my relationship with my children. So, I began to gradually pull away from the church making excuses which were, in themselves true, but were not the real reason for distancing myself. I went into “hiding”, going through the motions without letting on to anyone, including my spouse, where my real thinking was taking me. Although I would have thought it would have been more obvious, no one seemed to notice or particularly care until I “came out” with my unbelief. In the end, the marriage ended in divorce. Someone once said “People change and forget to tell each other”. I would add, sometimes they change and telling each other is just too dangerous, and the stakes too high, so they remain quiet and struggle alone. Eventually that struggle takes them so far away they cannot turn back. They wrestle with being what they cannot help but be, yet that which they know will shake their world.
And so it was at the beginning of last year I began my first “year of being an atheist”. I am finally able to pursue intellectual interests which have lain fallow for decades. I am finally consistently exercising appropriate and honest skepticism to the world around me. I finally realized that God did not flee from me, nor did I abandon him, he was just never really there to begin with. All of the things I had tried so hard to believe, had thought I believed and (now to my dismay) taught others to believe, were merely the fabrications, myths and stories of a single ethnic culture’s early days. What I had taken to be the cohesive, infallible “Word of God” is really only a collection of documents written by persons unknown, telling stories the origins of which are dubious, and are honestly of questionable reliability and uncertain transmission. It is not a unified work and no basis for unquestioning trust and faith.
I have turned my back on the Promised Land with its dictatorial theocracy and chosen to hike the desert of reason, unaccompanied by any supernatural pillar of cloud and fire, or tabernacle. Each dawning realization became a stepping stone across my personal Jordan only in reverse, a crossing of my own choice, a returning to my true and authentic self. This desert is not the harsh, inhospitable, dangerous, forbidding place I was warned about. It is lush and rich, full of oases and gardens in riotous bloom, with secrets ripe for discovery. Ultimately, natural reality is the only foundation upon which one can securely build a life of honesty and compassion. I have found my fellow wanderers to be far more satisfying companions, more loving, kind, accepting and honest than I ever met while living in the Promised Land of the church.
–Dennis
Thanks Dennis – powerful stuff, especially the divorce. Was that a direct result of coming out? Did you expect that to happen, or was it a surprise?
It was both direct and indirectly contributed to other issues.
Thanks Dennis. Looking again, that sounds like an awfully intrusive question, which obviously wasn’t my intention.
I hope I haven’t caused offence, but it was something that jumped out at me because I’m not sure how my own marriage would bear up if I were to “come out”. It seems to affect relationships in strange and unpredictable ways.
This is a major concern for many in the Project who are not out. Some are fortunate and their spouses either know and understand or, in some rare cases, are also “there” in their atheism. For many more, their spouses don’t know or don’t know the extent to which they do not believe. Since often the marriage was founded on a common faith perhaps even on being in the ministry, either departure threatens the relationship. There have been many whose marriages have ended as a result. At least a couple were due to the spouse having wanted to be the spouse of a “pastor”. Then the person left the church, that was the end. Sometimes that end is slow, sometimes it is sudden and immediate. It is one of the great fears in coming out. Obviously it takes a significant toll on any intimacy the relationship might still have.
I read an article by the owner and founder of Harmony.com. He is also a clinical Psychologist and has done a great deal of work on compatibility. His contention is that relationships that begin as the result of high sexual desire and common religious passion are almost always doomed. Because both are very strong and often considered the most important and highest priority, all other issues of broad based compatibility are ignored. It is also thought that if you have one of both of those aspects you can overcome any other issues or incompatibility in the relationship.
Dennis, thanks for your story. Mine is similar to yours – became a Christian at 12, went to a very conservative christian liberal arts college, reformed presbyterian seminary, worked one year in a church then became a banker. Worked the last 24 years as a banker, but was involved in teaching in the church. My deconversion began about 3 years ago and has been slow. My spouse and a very small group of friends are the only ones who know of my doubts, but even still, they don’t know the extend of it.
So thanks for your story. It’s an inspiration to others of us who are still struggling to fully “come out.”.
You are fortunate to have employment outside the church. That is a significant issue for many members of the Clergy Project especially who are older and have families. They stand to lose virtually everything.
Thanks Dennis, really appreciate.
Did you not feel kinda trapped – not being able to be your true “new” self until your first year as an atheist.
Or how did you experience it.
I did absolutely feel trapped. I could not return to religion nor could I really be who I was and was becoming. You are all the time, putting on a front, a face, a socially acceptable persona AND constantly in tension being asked to do and be things which you are gradually finding more and more abhorrent.
It’s like walking a tight rope. Trying not to lose you balance, not to give too much away, not to reveal what you really think while at the same time trying to be as true to yourself as possible and do the things that you find nurture and nourish you. You are always in danger of falling off that tightrope and often there is no net.
I found this the most interesting part of your post.
“My answers didn’t satisfy her and they no longer satisfied me; but they were the best and the brightest the Bible and my theology had to offer.”
There is a place for the “angry” and “strident” atheists and that is to make people aware that we exist. However, we hear over and over again that people slowly realize the problems with their religion when they stop and think about it. When dealing one on one with believers I adopt a gentle approach. I simply ask them why they believe what they do. No need to tell them why they might be wrong or point out the horrible things in the Bible, just nudge gently enough that they might start to think about it.
I agree, there is a place for “mocking” or making fun. There is a place for relatively gentle but pointed revelations about what the Bible REALLY says and how it really came to be. There is also a place for persistent but gentle questioning. It depends on the situation and the person.
I always wondered, does this process of leaving faith give you any remorse? You spend years and decades focusing on a life, worldview and history that is shown false; wasting your one and only life – from the new perspective. You lose you life investment, your
I entirely understand and many in the Project feel the same. There is a struggle to come to terms with a life lived dedicated to and actually promulgating what you now consider a lie. I spent all of college, five years in graduate school (seminary) and at least four years in the ministry enthralled to a deadend belief. That doesn’t include all the other years in the ministry part-time. It was the core of my one precious life. However, it’s not as though all that time was totally wasted or that I did not gain anything. However, yes, there is remorse and at times the questions of “what might have been”. So, I try to open those doors for my children.
Thank you for your reply Dennis !
I also think evolution has inbred in us a drive for survival, not only for ourselves individually and for our children but also for our “society”. There is a sort of altruism that reaches beyond the boundaries of our immediate family and friends. I would say that we can each of our labor not only to open the doors for our children but to also do what we can to move the race forward. Promoting rational though and mental clarity unfettered by religion and superstitious belief ultimately benefits future generations. It sounds a bit pretentious and grandiose but I do think we each have a part to play we just need to find it at whatever time we find ourselves when our own clarity comes to us.
I agree. One of the finest things I see is the potential in humans to expand their circle of empathy. There are door openers and there are hinderers of this expansion and clearly Religion is one of the problems. Not always, but even clergy and public believers like Tony Blair show this when they work on interfaith projects. That is: trying to create understanding and respect between cultures of belief to avoid conflict. My understanding is also that religion was one step in this expansion of empathy, useless now on a global scene, but it created a common ground between groups of non relatives and ethnicity’s – one step towards a global conscience. But rooting out smaller circles, like kin, tribe, ethnicity and religion always takes time. And I do not care about ridding the world of religion, nor family relations, or smaller groups, we just need to weaken them as much as needed for enough empathy to reach out. What do you think? I guess you have a view on this?
Great books on this subject:
Peter Singer – The Expanding Circle
Steven Pinker – The Better Angels of our Nature
Francis Fukuyama – The Origin of Political Order
Nicholas Wade – The Faith Instinct
I have the book by Pinker on my “to read” list. Actually, it’s already on my ereader. The issue I see with religion is that in it’s traditional manifestations it must virtually by definition create the “other” mentality. That is the power of the kinship, tribal and family groups, the power of “we” as opposed to “them”. I think it is as you say, the expansion of the circle of “we” and the weakening of the bounderies between “we” and “them” in the relationships we continue to pursue so that those relationships both honor the membership and “kinship” of those who are of like mind, but do not exclude others in a way that denegrates or dehumanizes them, or even simply marginalizes them as “not one of us, so not as good”. Religion, as I said, virtually by definition must denegrate others in it’s traditional manifestation in order to preserve the position of “saved” and “right” just because it defines those concepts in such absolute and cosmic terms. As long as there is “sin” in an y shape or form there will be a line of demarcation.
Yes, “sin, saved” etc. absolute rules inside the absolute rules of society = a mess!
I would love to read a book on the details surrounding a religious group: How much does religion look in everyday life, how do discussion on religion look like, talks about non believers, Islam, national policy, relationships etc. I don’t need info on the problem, I would love to just read about their every day life from a religious perspective. Any suggestions? Writing one of your own?
If you like Steven Pinker I must advertise his Official Facebook Page, managed by, guess who? Me!
http://www.facebook.com/Stevenpinkerpage
I don’t know if it’s what you’re looking for but Chaim Potak’s book “The Chosen” might be interesting regarding Judaism.
Deborah Feldman, “Unorthodox” regarding her life as a woman born in a Satmar Hasidic Jewish closed community.
One question which often comes up is that of the validity of my conversion experience. Christians will and have said to me and others like me, “if you can become an atheist, then you weren’t really a Christian to start with”. A variation on this is that “you are still saved, a Christian, but you are in rebellion”. Both are designed to preserve the faith of the believer while at the same time allowing my experience and the experience of others like me, into their framework of belief. Rather then allowing what might be considered contrary evidence to challenge the belief, the experience is questions. This is the “True Scotsman” logical fallacy.
However, I would rather approach it from a different angle. It is unquestionable that I had an experience and that that experience was subjectively real to me as are most of our subjective experiences. I would not begin to question people who called themselves believers have had real experiences, often incredibly powerful experiences. That is not in question. What is is question is whether that experience is anything other than subjective and how that experience then is to be interpreted. What was it’s significance.
The more we learn about the brain, the more we know that not all subjective experiences have any relationship to objective reality. One example are hallucinations. These are not only visual, but also aural and auditory. They are subjective experiences which seem VERY real (that is relating to objective reality but are simply a “brain activity”. Further, the brain often makes little distinction between what is “real” and what isn’t. You can experience a VERY real cause of anxiety, fear, arousal (sexual and otherwise) simply based on a thought, nothing more. Watching a scary movie or an action movie can create in your body responses and experiences which are in no way different then if you were actually in the situation being portrayed. What you think is true can become true in your brain and illicit the same emotions, feelings and reactions.
Conservative, fundamentalist Christians (at least the ones with which I am familiar) define being a Christian not so much in terms of what you believer or think, although that is important. They define it in terms of a radical transformation of the person brought about by the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit. There has been a supernatural, metaphysical change so that the person becomes different. Further, in the communion with which I was familiar, this is an irreversible change if it does indeed occur. The experience may differ but the result is the same.
So, the question is not about how subjectively REAL the experience was, although it is to that which many Christians point when backed into the corner by reason. What is really in question is whether that experience had any connection with objective reality. If God does exist and the Bible is true, the claims of the Bible about God and what he does are claims about objective reality which may have a subjective component. Here then we have a circular argument. The subjective experience is interpreted in terms of the dogma of the Bible then used as an internal, self-authenticating witness in the heart of the believer (subjective and often emotion) that the dogma of the Bible is true.
16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. ~ Romans 8:16
So the real issue comes down NOT to experience but to the interpretation of that experience which, in turn, comes back to whether the Bible is indeed or can indeed by the Word of God and whether God exists. If God does not exist then NO ONE can be a true Christian and all experience of conversion is simply “brain activity” similar to “emotional hallucinations” or vicarious responses arises from though and belief. Belief is a powerful force whether that belief is base on objective truth or not.
Dennis, you have come to the same awakening experienced by Buddha about 800 years before Constantine invented the story of Christ based on his knowledge of Judaism and Sun worship. Kudos to your personal insight. Many search for this peace but, find great difficulty in separating mental illusion from reason and reality.
Emotions are but instinct programmed into the psyche by parental combination of their individual DNA. As in all animals they are vital in guiding or actions toward our personal survival. Emotions are reactionary and ignore reality in protecting us from unknown environments. Unfortunately, instinct trumps reason 99.9% of the time.
Both you and Buddha have practiced stripping the emotional aspects of animal instinct leaving only reality and reason for the observer to consider. It takes practice for the animal brain to accomplish this feat toward pure rational thought.
Dennis, you have come to the same awakening experienced by Buddha about 800 years before Constantine invented the story of Christ. Kudos for your personal insight. Many search for this peace but, find great difficulty in separating mental illusion from reason and reality.
Emotions are but instinct programmed into the psyche by parental combination of their individual DNA. As in all animals they are vital in guiding or actions toward our personal and species survival. Emotions are reactionary and all but ignore reality in protecting us from unknown environments. Unfortunately, instinct (emotion) trumps reason 100% of the time.
Both you and Buddha have practiced stripping the emotional aspects of animal thought leaving only reality and reason for the observer to consider. It takes practice and control for the animal brain to accomplish this migration toward pure rational thought.
I enjoyed reading your journey into reality. You have much to offer those still suffering from their illusionary beliefs.
Dennis-
Thanks for your story….I ‘m sorry about the pain of divorce that you experienced. It makes me realize how lucky I am that my wife actually agreed with me when I shared my doubts. I can’t even imagine how hard that must have been.
Thanks christianagnostic!
I really enjoyed reading your story — thanks so much for sharing it!
Thank you Nate. These comments are very encouraging.
Sorry for the repeated posts. I am going to have to purchase a new computer. I find it difficult to edit and post my thoughts using two thumbs on my iPhone.
Thank you Al for your comments!! Interestingly I now practice Secular Zen although with a somewhat non-secular Zen community.
Dennis (and Dennis R):
I was struck by your comments about expanding the circle, and how religion is inherently an “us vs. them” demarcation. I’ve felt that way for a long time – that the most insidious and destructive element of religion is that very ingrouping. It’s an incredibly subtle yet powerful tendency, that served us well on the savannah, but is largely only destructive today. We as a species need to learn to do away with it, to consider literally everyone (and everything) “us” – there is no “them”.
That’s really what all religion is about – the smug satisfaction of being in the ‘in’ group and the fear of not being “in it”. All the rest, all the silly superstition and impossible, contradictory claims are just to cover that up. Theists wear their religion as a cloak to cover up their fears but they no more impress than a 6 year old with a Batman cape. Leave the group and their fear becomes naked.
barefootbree, I don’t think religion can exist without that demacation. In many cases that demarcation is also about good and bad, friend and enemy. Look at the insular communities like the Hasidim and the Amish and the somewhat less insular, like the Mormons and many conservative Evangelical groups. You have the distinction between the “Church” and the “World”. The former being good, the latter bad. Christians are “in the world but not of it” and attempt to be “in” it as little as possible. Association with the “world” is seen as a source of potential downfall and apostasy or at least of marginalizing of your Christian life. The same is true of the Hasidim. Very nearly any religion you can find is like that. Christianity says, for example, you are either “for” Jesus, or “against” him; you gather with him or scatter. You are to forsake even family to love him creating a new family, the church. Paul says, “what does Christ (the Christian) have to do with “Belial” (the unbeliever) when he speaks of not being “unequally” yoked. The very idea of being “unequal” because one is a believer and the other not says volumes. The list goes on and on.
Fascinating post! I’m sorry to hear about the pain your experience caused you. There are many of us who have had similar experiences, though you have suffered more than most, and had more to lose.
In response to comments here from Dennis R. and Jim Jones, I’d like to point out a book I’ve written as a result of my own questioning of an inherited faith that none of you have probably heard of, Laestadianism. The research and writing occupied a year of full-time work, but it was an essential step for me to deal with the threats of hellfire that the Laestadian Lutheran Church imposes on those who would dare to reject its claims, outrageous as they are. (They include the assertion that “God’s Kingdom” is limited to a single obscure sect comprising 0.002% of the world’s population.)
Dennis R. was looking for a book about “the details surrounding a religious group.” This book certainly provides that, with some 530 pages about many different nuances of Laestadian teaching and practice, and my own decades of experience in the group.
Jim Jones made the excellent point about the smug “us vs. them” thinking in religious groups. Boy, have I ever heard my fill of that! There’s an entire section of the book devoted to it.
It’s called An Examination of the Pearl and is available in various e-reading formats (including free online reading) at http://examinationofthepearl.org. I hope some of you find it interesting and helpful in some way, including you, Dennis, in the very courageous steps of your new life.
@Lapsed, I’d like to read your book. I’ve never heard of that particular group but my own experience has been in the “Reformed” tradition which is related. Although they may take it to a more extreme degree, many of the practises seem to be shared by most very conservative or ultra-conservative groups and to be simple a more extreme expression of what most conservative and evangelical groups hold to one degree or another.
I purchased a Kindle copy!! Thanks!
Thank you for sharing your story. I am so glad you made it out and have been able to discover the joy of feeling free to think.
Thank you, Lori!
Wow…sadly, I hate to say I relate a little to well to all of this. Saved as a teen, active in a college ministry group, straight to a conservative but academic seminary and then into a pastorate where I saw the ugly side of things. I’m only in the doubting stage right now, but I do get it.
Hang in there and just don’t be afraid to entertain your doubts and questions. I put them on the back burner and ignored them for too long. I failed to listen to that still, small voice of reason.
This website is the most refreshing that I have read in a long time. The account of Dennis Smith is the closest to my own of all the stories on the site. I thank him for making his story available to post-Christian pastors like me who live in a kind of netherworld between the religious and non-religious who cannot understand why a person can change or why a person was religious in the first place. This website is a real lifesaver and thanks to the Agnostic Pastor for taking the plunge and setting the site up.
Thank you ALL for your comments!!
This may also be of interest in terms of the “lifestyle” of particular religious communities.
Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots: Deborah Feldman: 9781439187005: Amazon.com: Books
It is by a woman who left the Satmar Hesidic Jewish sect.
Wow. Thanks for sharing your story. You are a gifted and eloquent writer. I am somewhere near leaving Christianity. I’ve been questioning now for about 1-2 years. It may be inevitable (and I may look back later and see that I’ve already left).
I was deeply moved by your reflections on marriage and people changing. Quite honestly, I am FREAKED OUT that I might lose my wife. I treasure her. Her faith seems pretty unmovable.
I’m sorry your marriage ended and hope that you’ve found peace.